Dr Wayne Jonas on the Science of Healing: PYP 323

Dr Wayne Jonas is a pioneer in integrative, healing-based, patient-centered healthcare who has been at the nexus of healthcare and healing for over 40 years.

He served as director of the National Institutes of Health Office of Alternative Medicine in the 1990s, as well as leading the World Health Organization’s Collaborative Center for Traditional Medicine.

He’s a retired lieutenant colonel in the US Army Medical Corps, and served as the director of Medical Research Fellowship at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research. (Some of his research there is truly mindblowing, and is paving the way for a reevaluation of the role of non-traditional therapies within the scientific, evidence-based Western standards of care.)

In his 2018 book, How Healing Works, Dr Jonas redefines the “placebo” effect and gives it its proper place – a primary and honored one – in the toolkit of healing.

His work is in the best tradition of T. Colin Campbell’s WHOLE – placing reductionist research and medicine within a life-giving and meaning-making wholistic framework.

We aren’t just a bag of chemicals, Jonas reminds us. So viewing nutrition as simply a bunch of chemicals misses the greater opportunity to bring about healing through our menu choices and global food systems.

Dr Jonas shares his vision of a health society spearheaded by organizations whose primary mission is to foster the health and wellbeing of their employees, members, and constituents, as a prerequisite to fulfilling their missions.

And shows how the “find it fix it” model of healthcare that has become the default in our society must inevitably miss out on 70-80% of our potential for healing.

In our conversation, we look at the triply oxymoronic “Health Care System” (produces about 20% of public health, doesn't provide much quality care, and is not an integrated system), and what it's missing and how to reimagine healthcare.

We look at the placebo effect, which is actually the “meaning and context” effect, and how it can be harnessed to promote healing of body, mind, and spirit.

And how organizations can and must make employee health and wellbeing centerpieces of their mission to be successful going forward.

Enjoy, add your voice to the conversation via the comment box or audio recording box below, and please share – that's how we spread our message and spread our roots.


Dr Wayne Jonas's website

How Healing Works – by Dr Jonas

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  1. ann says:

    Long time fan of the podcast, patreon supporter. Just an fyi, the audio recording devices used in podcasts pick up all ambient noises such as paper rustling, keyboard tapping, dish washing, eating, etc. In short, the listener can hear the guest and/or host attempting to multitask as the interview is recorded. The effect degrades the end product, much like a coffee mug stain on a document. It tells the listener that the interview participants did not find their conversation interesting enough to stop other activities and be fully present, and leads the listener towards thinking that maybe this conversation isn’t that valuable after all.

    • Howard says:

      Hi Ann. Thanks for the feedback. Not sure what noises you were hearing, as nobody was multi-tasking. (I do take notes during conversations, which accounts for the keyboard clicking, but I wasn’t playing a video game or texting anyone.)

      For reference, here’s the video of the call: https://youtu.be/O35LfM_Clxc

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