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pam-popperDr Pam Popper is founder and president of Wellness Forum Health, and a four-time guest on this podcast.

This week we talk about the upcoming Wellness Forum Health annual conference – specifically, the significance of the first-ever meeting between two of the most important health researchers of the past 50 years: T. Colin Campbell and Thomas Seyfried.

Dr Campbell is, of course, co-author of The China Study, and is long overdue for a Nobel Prize for Medicine for his work on preventing cancer.

Dr Seyfried, a geneticist by training, has spent the bulk of his career demonstrating that cancer is NOT a genetic disease. Which explains why all the standard treatments based on that assumption – radiation, chemotherapy, even surgery – haven't helped us win the “War on Cancer,” and in fact often hasten death.

Dr Popper explains the similarities and differences in their perspective and approach, and tells us what to expect when these great minds meet and enter into conversation.

We also talk about some of the other speakers at this year's conference. We cover:

  • the genetic vs metabolic theories of cancer, and the evidence for each
  • misconceptions about a ketogenic diet, and how it works for incurable cancers
  • the unexpected benefit of Hitler's polyp
  • the problems with animal cancer research (cancers don't metastasize in animals)
  • the gene-therapy drug success rate (spoiler: 1 out of 700)
  • why GLEEVEC probably works (it's not because of genes)
  • why gene-therapy drugs cannot work
  • the fake breakthrough of diagnostic testing
  • the goal: dying with, not of cancer
  • the Johns Hopkins childhood epilepsy diet protocol
  • plant-based objections to a ketogenic diet
  • why the ketogenic diet says nothing about preventing cancer
  • the humane psychiatry of Dr Peter Breggin
  • other presentations: Dr Janice Stanger on diet and pregnancy, and Dr. Maryelle Vonlanthen on reflux disease
  • and much more…

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Wellness Forum Health – for more information about the conference

The China Study, by T. Colin Campbell, PhD, and Thomas Campbell II, MD

Cancer as a Metabolic Disease, by Thomas Seyfried

The Emperor of All Maladies: A Biography of Cancer, by Siddhartha Mukherjee

The Heart of Being Helpful, by Peter Breggin, MD (I mistakenly called this book The Heart of Healing in the podcast)

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