Emma Passé is Chief Operating Officer at E-Powered Benefits, one of the renegade benefits brokers challenging a bloated and broken healthcare system.
I first met Emma a year ago at a healthcare conference, where she brought down the house with a spirited, entertaining, and incisive look at how health plans negotiate prices with providers.
You might not think that the topic of “reference-based pricing” would be all that interesting to the non-wonks in the room, but Emma has a way of making it relevant and fun. And, when you discover how you've been overpaying for healthcare all these years, you might become outraged as well.
When I found out that Emma was going to be in Charlotte, NC for the day, I drove for a couple of hours with my portable podcasting studio and met her for an interview.
And I discovered – as you're about to – that Emma is not only brilliant and passionate about her work, but a great conversationalist as well. I turned on the recorder and we just chatted like old friends.
We talked about the healthcare system, the health insurance system, and how consumers and employers can start protecting themselves from the irrational and opaque cost structure that functions more or less like an extortion racket.
We also talked about Emma's personal journey, which included losing 135 pounds and regaining her health. As well as how she was perceived differently – smarter, more competent, more powerful – as a thin woman.
And we rounded out the conversation by chatting about her initiative to empower more leaders, especially woman and millennials, to speak their truths and step into influential roles in their organizations and communities.
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This podcast is not underwritten by advertising, so I can experience complete editorial autonomy without worrying about pissing off the person paying the bills. Instead, I pay the bills, with your help. It's free for those who can't afford to pay, and supported by those who can. You can contribute to the growth and improvement of the podcast by clicking the “Support on Patreon” or “Donate” buttons on the right to help out.
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The Plant Yourself Podcast theme music, “Dance of Peace (Sabali Don),” is generously provided by Will Ridenour, a kora player from North Carolina who has trained with top Senegalese musicians.
It can be found on his first CD, titled Will Ridenour.
You can learn about Will, listen to more tracks, and buy music on his website, WillRidenour.com.
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As a female DPC physician practicing (and soon be boarded in) Lifestyle Medicine, this episode resonated with me on so many levels. Bravo and keep spreading the word!
Thanks, Lela! Congrats on your upcoming boarding – where do you practice?