Growing up in rural East Texas, Clay Garrett was raised to appreciate meat. His father, an agriculture instructor, literally taught an entire class on how to produce, process and cook meat. And the “meat and butter at every meal” cuisine was never linked, in anyone's mind, to the family history of high cholesterol and cancer, let alone to the digestive issues that ruled Clay's life.
The violent cramping and diarrhea could strike at any time. Clay was routinely 30 minutes late for school, and frequently left classes in the middle to accommodate his sudden need for a bathroom. In college, he chose his routes to and from classes based on proximity to toilets along the way. And his doctors, while quick to prescribe, never did come up with a diagnosis.
Clay was athletic enough to avoid clinical obesity – at most, he was 30 pounds overweight. For him, the costs of the standard American diet manifested internally, in pain, discomfort, social misery, and a profound lack of freedom.
Five years ago, looking to try something – anything – that might bring relief, Clay discovered the food documentary vein of Netflix. After devouring Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead, Food Inc, and Supersize Me, Clay was struck by a revolutionary thought: “I should do something different.”
He joked about becoming a vegetarian, a ludicrous and almost unthinkable path given his upbringing, and his wife's breezy reply (essentially, “whatever you want to do, but don't expect me to come along”) seemed to doom this strange conceit to two-week experiment, at best.
Nevertheless, Clay persisted. He bought The Kind Diet, by Alicia Silverstone, and began cooking recipes out of it. But it wasn't easy. His idea of eating was three recipes a day, a high bar for someone who was lukewarm about vegetables in general, and not crazy about salads in particular.
So there were the usual transitional foods, the fake meats and cheeses. And lots of smoothies. And while Clay struggled to adopt the lifestyle, his guts quickly began sending signals that he was on the right track.
It was Dr. McDougall's Starch Solution video on YouTube that finally gave Clay the cuisine and dietary strategy he could embrace and enjoy.
As his diet shifted, so did his views on animal agriculture. And his natural childlike compassion for other living beings was given space to reignite.
Clay and I spoke about his journey, the evolution of his ethics, and his current marketing and design advocacy on behalf of the plant-based movement. I hope you enjoy our spirited and thoughtful conversation.
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The Starch Solution, by John McDougall, MD
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